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Post by 93 troop on Nov 18, 2003 18:10:15 GMT -5
How much lift can I get doing a torsion bar crank and ball joint flip? If I do lift it that much, how will effect ride quality? Thanks for the information
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Post by Eric on Nov 18, 2003 19:14:40 GMT -5
I'd ask bigswede and bbehr. Those two guys have done it.
Oh yeah, BuckHunt, too. My bad!
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Post by BuckHunt on Nov 18, 2003 22:35:06 GMT -5
I think about 4" is the highest most folks will take the troopers.
the ball joint flip won't give you any additional lift, rather it helps regain downtravel after cranking up the torsion bars. to get an idea of what losing downtravel is like, imagine your troop is lifting at a repair garage, being supported by the frame, letting the wheels droop. Cranking your torsion bars "up" pushes the wheels downwards like that to achieve lift.
if you decide to do this, drive your troop around a day or two to let the tbars settle (mine have dropped anywhere from ~1/4 to ~1/2 inch within days after cranking them) then get it to a good alignment shop! Not sears, midas, etc, but somewhere that specializes in alignment (on average i would say they do a better job and charge less for the service).
you'll need a 27mm socket wrench and probably a breaker bar type thing (aka 2 foot steel pipe) to crank the bars. Locate the bolt, turn it clockwise (i'm pretty sure) and each full 360 degree rotation will give you about a 1/4" of lift. it also is easier if the front of your car is up on jack and stands.
How much lift are you going for? I dont know specifics on how much downtravel you will gain back with a bj flip or bj flip w/ spacers. I was told by matt brown - owner of independent4x - that anything over 3" lift you would want to do the ball joint flip w/ spacers, since i have 3" up there he said I would be okay with just the bj flip... not that the spacers wouldn't be better, but I didn't feel like spending another 60 bucks for them.
Effect on ride ... this depends on a lot of things. Need to know exactly how much you are lifting. to give you an idea - I initially lifted my trooper 1.5" with rear ome coils and cranked up the front 1.5" . the new rear coils are stiffer, thicker coils, firmed up the ride a good bit, steering got "Tighter" after that. I liked it. I put 33's on, steering and handling all still good. I put on polyeurethane swaybar bushings, reduced the lean in turns a bit. Put on about another overall 1" of lift and stiffer front shocks. there may be a diminishing point of returns, i would not be sad to lose that last inch to regain the better handling and less lean i previously had, but the 1" gain may let me fit 34" tires some day =) will have to wait and find out.
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Post by BuckHunt on Nov 18, 2003 22:35:40 GMT -5
carpal tunnel just kicked in ;D
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Post by Eric on Nov 19, 2003 13:52:20 GMT -5
Man, I'm glad you joined this board.
Well-worded answers to a bunch of questions I've had, too.
Thanks for taking the time, and as to the carpal tunnel, I hear you cluckin', big chicken! My wrists are killin' me!
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jdawg
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Post by jdawg on Nov 19, 2003 15:54:01 GMT -5
I managed about 3" of lift by cranking the stock bars and I also added OME coils in the rear of my 95. The ride, if anything, felt better after the lift IMO. I also added the poly bushings and did the BJ flip too. I'm running 285/75/16 BFGs. Still got to find time to get to the alignment shop though.
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Post by BigSwede on Nov 19, 2003 16:10:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't go more than 3 - 3.5" on the lift. Any higher and you will have no downtravel left so ride quality will suffer, and your CV joints will be overstressed by the angle.
What I would do is get OME coils and 2" poly coil spacers from Independent4x.
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Post by 93 troop on Nov 19, 2003 16:33:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice guys, it has really helped. I thought I would add that I plan to buy the heavy duty torsion bars from either Indy4x or Darlington. I also will get the ball joint spacer and perform a ball joint flip. Since this will allow more downward travel can I go higher than 3"
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Post by BigSwede on Nov 19, 2003 19:14:43 GMT -5
Hmmm, I haven't brought this up because I am not sure of my facts, but I don't think the ball joint flip adds much in the way of downtravel...after all, your A-arms, shocks, brake lines, etc. are the same length as before the flip.
My understanding is that the ball joint flip primarily helps with camber issues after the lift.
But I could be wrong, ask Joe D. for correct answers!
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DaveT
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Post by DaveT on Oct 23, 2004 21:22:57 GMT -5
can someone help me please? ive heard different things about these lifts. ive heard the calimini lift is the way to go for my 1998 trooper and then ive heard the OME coils are the better way to go. I need to decide which will give me both lift and not destroy my ride. ive heard thee calmini lift hurts your ride but to me that doesnt make any sense. please help
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scooter36863
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'95 trooper limited, dana 44 SAS welded up, 37 inch MT/R's, 4.56 gears, ARB bumper
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Post by scooter36863 on Oct 27, 2004 14:52:05 GMT -5
before i did my SAS i had one of the first calmini lifts realeased for troopers, when i got mine they advertised it as a 3inch lift, if you look now its is described as a 2 inch lift. i love my trooper and have been researching and building on it since i got it about 5 years ago. when i got the lift kit from calmini i was just getting into offroading and i was pretty dumb about it, i didnt really research it and had no idea how mich of a mistake i was making, in my opinion the calmini kit is pretty horrible, yes it gives you lift but not enough to pay the $800 dollars they want and its hell on your suspension parts. that was $800 bucks i could have put into my SAS or somthing else. i broke or warped a lot of parts while i had that lift on and i know that there arent many other options, but i would stay away from that kit.
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DaveT
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Post by DaveT on Nov 2, 2004 19:44:29 GMT -5
i want to order the indy4x 3.5 suspension lift for my 1998 trooper. i understnad that the back lift is achieved with the coil springs and the spacers. The frond it acheived with the torsion bar, if i leveled the front with the back. how will my ride be in the front
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Post by Adrian on Jan 11, 2005 14:56:17 GMT -5
I have recently join the forum, and think it is a great place for information.
I am thinking about doing the 2inch lift on my Trooper
How hard is the job to do? Is it a simple straight forward task that can be carried out by the competent home mechanic?
Are 33inch tyres the biggest that can be fitted with a 2inch lift?
Many thanks for your help
Adrian
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Post by BigSwede on Jan 20, 2005 14:11:11 GMT -5
I am thinking about doing the 2inch lift on my Trooper How hard is the job to do? Is it a simple straight forward task that can be carried out by the competent home mechanic? Not hard at all...if you are competent enough to, say, swap shocks or spark plugs you can easily do the standard lift. OME coils will give you 1"-1.5", a 1" or 2" poly spacer for more lift if desired. All you do is disconnect the rear shocks and jack up the frame until the stock coils fall out, then jack it up some more and put the OME coils in. Crank the front torsion bar adjustment bolts clockwise 4-5 turns per inch of lift to match, and you're done. If you go 3" or higher, I would also do the ball joint flip. Without body lift or trimming, yes.
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Thepurplebeast
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Post by Thepurplebeast on Feb 24, 2005 23:01:22 GMT -5
ok, im still stock and still ignorant. if im just starting, what do u think the best lift is? Its a 96.
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